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Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

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Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by engrjhez® on Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:53 am

I would like to suggest this to be considered in the future amendment of RA 9184. At first it may look awkward, but I strongly believe this would be necessary if we really need to inflict reforms down to the last government unit.

My observation is this. Before EO 40, (2002 and the later years) we have over a hundred procurement laws, rules and regulations. To ensure reforms are instituted, a single procurement law is necessary. Then came RA 9184. It unified the procurement system, but it have caused a hundred interpretations from every procuring entity.

For a very short period of conducting PhilGEPS Training on different PEs since January this year, this was already a consistent observation. They (PEs) kept on doing what they think is correct without exerting efforts to know what is really the correct practice. Most of them have not yet been trained by the GPPB Accredited Trainers yet. Baka nga mas marami pa na-train ang mga private groups offering RA 9184 trainings. .

To enforce this, the GPPB/GPPB-TSO need to expand the list of Accredited Trainers (similar to the expansion of PhilGEPS). The GPPB/GPPB-TSO thru the trainers shall conduct annual exam (preferably online exam) of all BAC Members to satisfy the "procurement proficiency" requirement. With this we can be sure that those directly enforcing RA 9184 are equipped with the correct knowledge in upholding the law. This can also be a basis for appointment and renewal of BAC members. Smile
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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by Dong S on Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:23 am

MAY THAT FUTURE AMENDMENT COME VERY SOON!
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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by engrjhez® on Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:27 am

rsongahid wrote:MAY THAT FUTURE AMENDMENT COME VERY SOON!

Thanks rsongahid.

Aside from this, training conducted must be properly documented and assessed. Sayang kasi ang conduct of procurement trainings kung walang feedback at figures na nakukuha every training. Saan ba malinaw at saan malabo. Pati assessment ng Trainers. Now, we have a database of all Procuring Entities. From that list, we indentify who were already trained and who are not yet. Baka naman kasi we kept on training those who are already trained. From that list also, we build a database of all BAC members - para identified lahat. One list that can easily be updated yearly.

Haaay. Sana I have more time to do write-ups on this. Smile

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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by chrissy on Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:14 pm

Looking forward, if this will push thru
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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by engrjhez® on Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:30 am

chrissy wrote:Looking forward, if this will push thru

Me too.

However, upon careful review, this can also be an "escape plan" for those who do not want to be appointed or renewed in the BAC. They will simply have to fail the exams and voila!

My suggestion in this kind of argument is that:
(1) those who failed the exam for renewal will be held liable for refund of a percentage of their honoraria received during their terms;
(2) For prospective/incoming new members, I think they can be appointed without the exam but they will have to take the exams at the end of their term and pass it. Otherwise, consequence in (1) above shall apply.
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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by engrjhez® on Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:41 am

What do you think, forum people?

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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by sunriser431 on Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:51 am

engrjhez® wrote:
chrissy wrote:Looking forward, if this will push thru

Me too.

However, upon careful review, this can also be an "escape plan" for those who do not want to be appointed or renewed in the BAC. They will simply have to fail the exams and voila!

My suggestion in this kind of argument is that:
(1) those who failed the exam for renewal will be held liable for refund of a percentage of their honoraria received during their terms;
(2) For prospective/incoming new members, I think they can be appointed without the exam but they will have to take the exams at the end of their term and pass it. Otherwise, consequence in (1) above shall apply.
Think of it as salvation to the club members 6115 that may arise as a results of their action, to future BAC members cheers and good luck. For me what a great relieve and peace of mind. bounce
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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by Recks1925 on Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:25 pm

This is a very good idea. Magulo nga pag minsan umaattend ako ng seminars eh, some of our trainors even have conflicting stands on certains provisions.

Assessment is a very good method of fixing things.
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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by accounting on Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:46 am

sino naman kaya ang magcheck ng exam
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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by Recks1925 on Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:02 am

hahaha.. Razz
Si EngrJhez daw.. joke
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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by engrjhez® on Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:29 pm

Recks1925 wrote:hahaha.. Razz
Si EngrJhez daw.. joke

Loko kayo ha. Very Happy

Syempre kung sino mag-administer ng exam. Pwede ring ako kung isasama ako sa Board of Examiners. joke din : lol!
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Philgeps Certificate of Eligibility

Post by jose on Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:27 pm

Philgeps should also issue a Certificate of Eligibility for those who who will be appointed as BAC member except the end user, this will concur that the member, undergo and passed the training of Philgeps to qualify them as BAC member , and mostly this will concur that all the members are officially qualified.

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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by engrjhez® on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:09 am

jose wrote:Philgeps should also issue a Certificate of Eligibility for those who who will be appointed as BAC member except the end user, this will concur that the member, undergo and passed the training of Philgeps to qualify them as BAC member , and mostly this will concur that all the members are officially qualified.

Unless RA 9184 is expressly amended, the basic consideration before being appointed as BAC member are just UNQUESTIONABLE INTEGRITY and PROCUREMENT PROFICIENCY aside from occupying plantilla positions. It may be possible if 'procurement proficiency' will have definitive parameters/criteria. Smile
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Post by chrissy on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:44 pm

I agree to the last statement of sir engrjhez, It should have concrete definition. Coz yung ibang members, wala lang....Joke
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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by alpha1 on Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:48 am

I agree not only with the proposed plan but also with the observation of Engrjhez about the exam that would be an "escape plan" for those who do not want to become a member of the BAC especially when the HOPE had some preference of suppliers and contractors.

My observation with regards to the low awareness of some BAC members with regards to 9184 is that during training/seminars they are attending, they are not really listening or not interested at all. What is important is that they have traveled for the seminar. I could say this because of my past experience that while the speaker is lecturing some are talking about other things.

Last week, I was invited to give some insights about 9184 because they have encountered some problems with the bidding they have conducted (they are still using the Sample Forms that was issued in 2005 without knowing that there is already a 4th Edition of the PBD). They have found out during the eligibility check that the supplier of their goods is also their HRMO. They are in a dilemma now because the supplier have some previous transactions with the LGU. That was during a state of calamity that they didn't bother verifying the documents first before entering into a contract. (according to them the supplier is a protege of the LCE).

I told them to talk to their LCE first about the matter and then make a decision later. So guys they are asking your opinions too what they are going to do! Thanks
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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by accounting on Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:57 pm

for me as long as the supplier is a legitimate contractor/supplier and is not a member of the BAC, TWG and secretariat and the HRMO is not using the government official working hours in doing his business then there would be no ground for the nullification of the contract.
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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by jose on Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:40 pm

" unquestionable integrity and procurement proficiency " we need to elaborate the criteria on these, and possibly include these on the proposed amendments of RA 9184 if there is any.

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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by engrjhez® on Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:23 pm

jose wrote:" unquestionable integrity and procurement proficiency " we need to elaborate the criteria on these, and possibly include these on the proposed amendments of RA 9184 if there is any.

Unquestionable integrity, although subjective in nature, can easily be determined. If there is a formal complaint to anyone being accused of irregularity, that means integrity is in question.

Procurement proficiency is the real subjective term that should be addressed by this proposition. Proficiency shall be measured by performance from examination including written and oral exam to cast doubts on the proficiency. The practitioner must satisfactorily pass the criteria so to be renewed from being BAC members. Smile
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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by friend toe on Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:24 am

greetings to all...
the circumstances cited were and are true... exams may and will limit BAC membership for those who have gone in seminars just to become a member for honoraria sake... those serious guys also tend to shy away for being a member because of extra burden by dictations of higher authorities of which the honoraria is not enough to pay a lawyer in case things muddle...

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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by alpha1 on Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:33 pm

engrjhez® wrote:What do you think, forum people?

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I agree with you Engr., but another suggestion is that all HOPE must be complied maybe by the DILG to also attend trainings and seminars about 9184 so that they will also understand the procurement law.
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Re: Annual Government Procurement Proficiency Examinations (AGPPE)

Post by Jovinal on Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:45 pm

AGPPE is not practical in Local Government Units particularly in Barangay Level.
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