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Proposed Amendment to Accomodate Changes in LGU BAC Composition

Post by engrjhez® on Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:35 pm

Please see the topic on BAC-TWG-Secretariat Liabilities and the Informal Survey for LGU BACs for reference.

If the survey leads to one common plea, then Section 11 of RA.9184 must be amended:

From:
SEC. 11. The BAC and its Composition. - Each procuring entity shall establish a
single BAC for its procurement. The BAC shall have at least five (5) members, but not more
than seven (7) members. It shall be chaired by at least a third ranking permanent official of
the procuring entity other than its head, and its composition shall be specified in the IRR. x x x


To:
SEC. 11. The BAC and its Composition. - Each procuring entity shall establish a
single BAC for its procurement. The BAC shall have at least five (5) members, but not more
than seven (7) members. It shall be chaired by at least a fourth ranking permanent official of
the procuring entity other than its head, and its composition shall be specified in the IRR.x x x


I am just not so sure if citing "fourth ranking" already means "anyone". But for me, it must be defined as the "assistant" or a "section chief" immediately next in line below the department head level.
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Re: Proposed Amendment to Accomodate Changes in LGU BAC Composition

Post by inhinyera on Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:53 am

engrjhez® wrote:Please see the topic on BAC-TWG-Secretariat Liabilities and the Informal Survey for LGU BACs for reference.

If the survey leads to one common plea, then Section 11 of RA.9184 must be amended:

From:
SEC. 11. The BAC and its Composition. - Each procuring entity shall establish a
single BAC for its procurement. The BAC shall have at least five (5) members, but not more
than seven (7) members. It shall be chaired by at least a third ranking permanent official of
the procuring entity other than its head, and its composition shall be specified in the IRR. x x x


To:
SEC. 11. The BAC and its Composition. - Each procuring entity shall establish a
single BAC for its procurement. The BAC shall have at least five (5) members, but not more
than seven (7) members. It shall be chaired by at least a fourth ranking permanent official of
the procuring entity other than its head, and its composition shall be specified in the IRR.x x x


I am just not so sure if citing "fourth ranking" already means "anyone". But for me, it must be defined as the "assistant" or a "section chief" immediately next in line below the department head level.
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With the onset of RA 9184, there are BAC Members qualified by virtue of their present positions but its so sad to say that TWGs are the ones doing their jobs...are they just for signing the documents?
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Re: Proposed Amendment to Accomodate Changes in LGU BAC Composition

Post by inhinyera on Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:57 am

I understand being the recommending body to the HOPE...but how could they recommend something they could not fully understand? How can we resolve this? Crying or Very sad
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Re: Proposed Amendment to Accomodate Changes in LGU BAC Composition

Post by riddler on Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:21 pm

inhinyera wrote:With the onset of RA 9184, there are BAC Members qualified by virtue of their present positions but its so sad to say that TWGs are the ones doing their jobs...are they just for signing the documents?

talagang ganun po ang role ng TWG under Sec. 12 of the amended IRR.. TWG ang magging consultant ng BAC natin. kaya kailangan, from the pool of technicals talaga manggaling yung TWG natin, kasi magging "workhorse" sila ng BAC Very Happy

inhinyera wrote: I understand being the recommending body to the HOPE...but how could they recommend something they could not fully understand? How can we resolve this? Crying or Very sad

the amended IRR is already clear on the appointment of BAC for LGU's under Section 11.2.3. parang tama naman po sa palagay ko dahil may TWG at Secretariat naman na tutulong sa kanila Very Happy Cool di na kailangan na marunong yung BAC natin sa technical. Very Happy
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Re: Proposed Amendment to Accomodate Changes in LGU BAC Composition

Post by engrjhez® on Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:55 am

inhinyera wrote:I understand being the recommending body to the HOPE...but how could they recommend something they could not fully understand? How can we resolve this? Crying or Very sad

There are two fundamental qualifications for being a BAC member (more important than ranking):

(a) procurement proficiency; and

(b) unquestionable integrity

Unfortunately, these qualifications are often left behind and what is being followed is the rank of the officer. In fact, these two qualifications are very rare to find on people with department/unit head and supervisory positions. Dedication and hardwork is oftentimes something leaders could easily pass on somebody else (and yes, to some even more knowledgable than they are).

For me, all HOPEs must realize that their most trusted allies in the department/unit may not always be the best to do the job. Objectivity will suggest that since the HOPE himself is not technically aware of the provision of the law (at least most of them), then he/she should think twice in putting their names at stake just because of political affiliations. Rationalization is the key. Smile
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Re: Proposed Amendment to Accomodate Changes in LGU BAC Composition

Post by RDV @ GP3i on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:55 am

engrjhez® wrote:
inhinyera wrote:I understand being the recommending body to the HOPE...but how could they recommend something they could not fully understand? How can we resolve this? Crying or Very sad

There are two fundamental qualifications for being a BAC member (more important than ranking):

(a) procurement proficiency; and

(b) unquestionable integrity

Unfortunately, these qualifications are often left behind and what is being followed is the rank of the officer. In fact, these two qualifications are very rare to find on people with department/unit head and supervisory positions. Dedication and hardwork is oftentimes something leaders could easily pass on somebody else (and yes, to some even more knowledgable than they are).

For me, all HOPEs must realize that their most trusted allies in the department/unit may not always be the best to do the job. Objectivity will suggest that since the HOPE himself is not technically aware of the provision of the law (at least most of them), then he/she should think twice in putting their names at stake just because of political affiliations. Rationalization is the key. Smile

The ranking of at least 3rd within the procuring entity is only required for the BAC Chairman, not for the other members of the BAC. For the other members of the BAC, ranking is no longer required, so long as they occupy plantilla positions within the offices under the Office of the Local Chief Executive. In other words, for the other members of the BAC, he/she could be ranked lower in the organization of the procuring entity than a 3rd ranking plantilla position (Department Head for LGUs). Of course, as you correctly pointed out, there is still the fundamental requirement that designation as BAC members should be based on "procurement proficiency" and "unquestionable integrity" which some HOPE's fail to consider in the designation process.
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Re: Proposed Amendment to Accomodate Changes in LGU BAC Composition

Post by jose on Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:55 pm

in the local government we distinguish our position into position leveling, and not by rank, this should also be considered , the 1st level position, are those who are not performing supervisory positions, and the second level positions are those who performed a supervisory positions, and the third level positions are those departments heads, and directors. this thing should be clarified also.

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Re: Proposed Amendment to Accomodate Changes in LGU BAC Composition

Post by engrjhez® on Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:36 pm

jose wrote:in the local government we distinguish our position into position leveling, and not by rank, this should also be considered , the 1st level position, are those who are not performing supervisory positions, and the second level positions are those who performed a supervisory positions, and the third level positions are those departments heads, and directors. this thing should be clarified also.

Such levels are under CSC rules and not constrained solely on LGUs. The manner of ranking has been already clarified by GPPB Resolution No. 01-2004. The reason why ranking and not level was used is because RA 9184 applies to all government agencies and instrumentalities. There are no third level career positions in the LGU but since the law must apply to all, ranking was used.

Unless RA 9184 is expressly amended, we cannot escape on the wording of 1st, 2nd, 3rd... ranking. Smile
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Post by jose on Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:34 am

The term rank and level should be clarified and amended for us to properly distinguish the position ranking or leveling in the local and national government.

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Re: Proposed Amendment to Accomodate Changes in LGU BAC Composition

Post by jose on Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:36 am

1. first level-- clerical, trades, crafts and custodial service positions, which
involve non-professional or sub-professional work in a non-supervisory or
supervisory capacity requiring less than four years of collegiate studies;

2. second level-- professional, technical and scientific positions involving
professional, technical or scientific work in a non-supervisory or supervisory
capacity requiring at least four years of college work up to Division Chief
level; and

3. third level-- positions in the Career Executive Service. Third level positions in local government units (municipal corporations) or similar entities including those devolved from the National Government

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