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Post by engrjhez® on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:48 pm

The Revised IRR has the following provisions:

Sec.14.1
The Head of the Procuring Entity shall create a Secretariat which will serve as the
main support unit of the BAC. An existing organic office within the procuring entity
may also be designated to serve as Secretariat.
However, to strengthen and
promote the professionalization of the organizations’ procuring unit, the Head of the
Procuring Entity may create procurement units that may serve concurrently as BAC
Secretariat in accordance with the guidelines issued by DBM
. The Secretariat shall
have the following functions and responsibilities:
x x x


Looking back to the previous IRR:

Sec.14.1
The head of the procuring entity shall create a Secretariat which will serve as
the main support unit of the BAC. He may also designate an existing organic
office within the said procuring entity to serve as Secretariat.
However, to
strengthen and promote the professionalization of the organizations’ procuring
unit, he may reorganize this unit by designating it as BAC Secretariat and
redeploying appropriate existing personnel to it to perform this function, as well
as procurement related task.
The Secretariat shall have the following functions
and responsibilities:
x x x


The revised IRR seemed to be very specific (at least almost) to the designation of members of the BAC Secretariat. The inclusion of the "...guidelines issued by DBM..." is leading to utilization of existing procurement unit and/or creation of multiple procurement units to serve as BAC Sec at the same time.

What will happen to "attending" BAC Sec members? Where do you think this will lead to? scratch

Does this mean a group of "attending" members may be allowed to be created as a procuring unit?
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Post by sunriser431 on Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:00 pm

engrjhez wrote:The Revised IRR has the following provisions:

Sec.14.1
The Head of the Procuring Entity shall create a Secretariat which will serve as the
main support unit of the BAC. An existing organic office within the procuring entity
may also be designated to serve as Secretariat.
However, to strengthen and
promote the professionalization of the organizations’ procuring unit, the Head of the
Procuring Entity may create procurement units that may serve concurrently as BAC
Secretariat in accordance with the guidelines issued by DBM
. The Secretariat shall
have the following functions and responsibilities:
x x x


Looking back to the previous IRR:

Sec.14.1
The head of the procuring entity shall create a Secretariat which will serve as
the main support unit of the BAC. He may also designate an existing organic
office within the said procuring entity to serve as Secretariat.
However, to
strengthen and promote the professionalization of the organizations’ procuring
unit, he may reorganize this unit by designating it as BAC Secretariat and
redeploying appropriate existing personnel to it to perform this function, as well
as procurement related task.
The Secretariat shall have the following functions
and responsibilities:
x x x


The revised IRR seemed to be very specific (at least almost) to the designation of members of the BAC Secretariat. The inclusion of the "...guidelines issued by DBM..." is leading to utilization of existing procurement unit and/or creation of multiple procurement units to serve as BAC Sec at the same time.

What will happen to "attending" BAC Sec members? Where do you think this will lead to? scratch

Does this mean a group of "attending" members may be allowed to be created as a procuring unit?

Engrjhez, please refer to this post i made regarding the procurment unit click this link http://gppb.topicsolutions.net/procurement-organizations-f11/re-nbc-517-dated-december-22-2008-guidelines-on-the-establishment-of-procurement-units-t196.htm
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Re: BAC Secretariat after the Revised IRR

Post by engrjhez® on Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:24 pm

sunriser431 wrote:
Engrjhez, please refer to this post i made regarding the procurment unit click this link http://gppb.topicsolutions.net/procurement-organizations-f11/re-nbc-517-dated-december-22-2008-guidelines-on-the-establishment-of-procurement-units-t196.htm
I have seen your post before, but the circular itself is not particularly referring to any LGU. Can someone confirm if the scope "...and All Others Concerned" may refer to an LGU? If so, does each procuring unit still have to be under the umbrella of General Services Office (for LGU)? Again, if so, does it restrict "attending members" to be designated as members of the BAC Secretariat (like in the old IRR)?
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Re: BAC Secretariat after the Revised IRR

Post by sunriser431 on Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:16 pm

engrjhez wrote:The Revised IRR has the following provisions:

Sec.14.1
The Head of the Procuring Entity shall create a Secretariat which will serve as the
main support unit of the BAC. An existing organic office within the procuring entity
may also be designated to serve as Secretariat.
However, to strengthen and
promote the professionalization of the organizations’ procuring unit, the Head of the
Procuring Entity may create procurement units that may serve concurrently as BAC
Secretariat in accordance with the guidelines issued by DBM
. The Secretariat shall
have the following functions and responsibilities:
x x x


Looking back to the previous IRR:

Sec.14.1
The head of the procuring entity shall create a Secretariat which will serve as
the main support unit of the BAC. He may also designate an existing organic
office within the said procuring entity to serve as Secretariat.
However, to
strengthen and promote the professionalization of the organizations’ procuring
unit, he may reorganize this unit by designating it as BAC Secretariat and
redeploying appropriate existing personnel to it to perform this function, as well
as procurement related task.
The Secretariat shall have the following functions
and responsibilities:
x x x


The revised IRR seemed to be very specific (at least almost) to the designation of members of the BAC Secretariat. The inclusion of the "...guidelines issued by DBM..." is leading to utilization of existing procurement unit and/or creation of multiple procurement units to serve as BAC Sec at the same time.

What will happen to "attending" BAC Sec members? Where do you think this will lead to? scratch

Does this mean a group of "attending" members may be allowed to be created as a procuring unit?

Excerpts from the Revised IRR of 9184
Sec. 14.1
Option 1.The Head of the Procuring Entity shall create a Secretariat which will serve as the main support unit of the BAC.
Option 2.An existing organic office within the procuring entity may also be designated to serve as Secretariat
Option 3. The Head of the Procuring Entity may create procurement units that may serve concurrently as BAC Secretariat in accordance with the guidelines issued by DBM

For Option 1 I believe the new revised IRR gives the procuring entity the free hand in creating a Separate BAC Secretariat, meaning a separate unit/office.

For Option 2 In my opinion,may not be feasible, because(Organic Office/any office in the agency) lack of Integrity.,Procurement proficiency, experience and trainings attended, and satisfactory completion in a certification program conducted by the GPPB-TSO or its accredited institutions ( no offence intended)

For Option 3. Subject to DBM guidelines hopefully, it is refering to this NBC click this link http://gppb.topicsolutions.net/procurement-organizations-f11/re-nbc-517-dated-december-22-2008-guidelines-on-the-establishment-of-procurement-units-t196.htm

From my own perspective option 1 and option 3 both require the creation of Secretariat/and or Procurement unit. while option 2 merely designating any office in the agency (organic) to serve as BAC secretariat. The question now which of these options given the best choice. It now depends on the Agency concern or the HOPE to decide.
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Re: BAC Secretariat after the Revised IRR

Post by engrjhez® on Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:36 pm

sunriser431,

I have read that DBM guidelines. It doesn't seem to apply on LGUs. Moreso, it is now unclear if attending members (from non-procurement offices) are allowed to maintain their membership in the BAC Secretariat. This is another LGU-related/complicated issue. I think. Very Happy
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Re: BAC Secretariat after the Revised IRR

Post by sunriser431 on Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:21 pm

engrjhez wrote:
sunriser431,

I have read that DBM guidelines. It doesn't seem to apply on LGUs. Moreso, it is now unclear if attending members (from non-procurement offices) are allowed to maintain their membership in the BAC Secretariat. This is another LGU-related/complicated issue. I think. Very Happy

Engrjhez suggestion only. ,ask for clarification from the DBM or write them formally and address the issues. Smile
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Re: BAC Secretariat after the Revised IRR

Post by Soysoy on Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:10 am

please allow me to share my view on the subject.

i think NBC No. 517 is not applicable to LGUs simply because LGUs has existing procurement offices, the GSO or MTO as the case may be.

it is worthy to note that the RA 9184 only amends title VI, book II of RA 7160, and to my understanding, when a law amends a previous law, it only amends provisions of the latter which are inconsistent with the provisions of the new law. with that, Sec. 358 of RA 7160 which impliedly designates the GSO/MTO as the procuring offices (see Art. 430 of the IRR of RA 7160) of the LGUs, is still effective. Be it noted that there are no provisions of RA 9184 which creates/ establishes procuring offices for LGUs.

Thus, for purposes of applying Sec. 14.1 of the revised IRR of RA 9184 in the LGUs, it must be read together with Sec. 358 of RA 7160 and not with NBC No. 517, such that, for LGUs it can do the following:
1. The HOPE can create a BAC Sec by designating LGU employees to members thereof; or,
2. Designate the existing procuring office (the GSO/MTO) as the BAC Sec.; or,
3. A combination of the two options above, designate the GSO/MTO as BAC Sec with "attending" members from other offices or create a BAC sec with GSO/MTO employees as "attending" members.

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Re: BAC Secretariat after the Revised IRR

Post by sunriser431 on Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:34 am

Soysoy wrote: xxxx. for LGUs it can do the following:
1. The HOPE can create a BAC Sec by designating LGU employees to members thereof; or,
2. Designate the existing procuring office (the GSO/MTO) as the BAC Sec.; or,
3. A combination of the two options above, designate the GSO/MTO as BAC Sec with "attending" members from other offices or create a BAC sec with GSO/MTO employees as "attending" members.
thank you.
May I ask how your agency(LGU) created the BAC secretariat? was it option no#1, no#2 or no#3 option?
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Re: BAC Secretariat after the Revised IRR

Post by Soysoy on Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:28 pm

Pursuant to the old IRR, the HOPE issued an executive order creating a BAC sec and designating a regular employee to act as the Head thereof. as to its membership, the HOPE detailed several regular employees and JOs (a phenomenon in LGUs, if i may say so) to perform the functions of the secretariat.
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Re: BAC Secretariat after the Revised IRR

Post by father on Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:32 pm

good pm, ano po ang qualification para maging BAC Secretariat? anong Salary Grade ang pd?
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Post by father on Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:34 pm

hi engrjhez..what is the qualification to be a BAc secretariat< if ur a supply officer is ok to be a bac secretariat? no prohibition?
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Re: BAC Secretariat after the Revised IRR

Post by engrjhez® on Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:01 am

father wrote:hi engrjhez..what is the qualification to be a BAc secretariat< if ur a supply officer is ok to be a bac secretariat? no prohibition?

There is no grade level requirement in the BAC Secretariat except for the Head. It is however, suggested that to meet the objectives of continuity and professionalism, the BAC Secretariat must be plantilla personnel.

No problem with a supply officer designated as member or Head of BAC Secretariat, except that he/she is not entitled to claim of Honoraria. Smile
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