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Post by engrjhez® on Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:06 pm

ruel wrote:ha ha ha! di na rin nakatiis si dennis. lol! sunny

Aral din nga tayo ng Law, Engr. Ruel. Sana sa susunod na amendment ng IRR e isama ang "scholarship" o "schooling" ng BAC at BAC Secretariat sa probisyon ng "professionalization" (in coordination with CSC). Sana maging part ito ng benefit sa mga gustong mag-pursue ng "higher studies" para sa ikabubuti ng serbisyo lalo na sa Procurement Law.

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Post by riddler on Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:13 pm

engrjhez wrote:
ruel wrote:ha ha ha! di na rin nakatiis si dennis. lol! sunny

Aral din nga tayo ng Law, Engr. Ruel. Sana sa susunod na amendment ng IRR e isama ang "scholarship" o "schooling" ng BAC at BAC Secretariat sa probisyon ng "professionalization" (in coordination with CSC). Sana maging part ito ng benefit sa mga gustong mag-pursue ng "higher studies" para sa ikabubuti ng serbisyo lalo na sa Procurement Law.

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sama ako dyan, engrjhez. i thought engr/lawyer ka, you seems to understand the language of law like soysoy,amang, shobe, and other incognitos out there.
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Post by engrjhez® on Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:33 pm

ruel wrote:
sama ako dyan, engrjhez. i thought engr/lawyer ka, you seems to understand the language of law like soysoy,amang, shobe, and other incognitos out there.
Magaling lang mangopya, hehe. Wala naman sigurong masama mag-aral uli. Given enough time (and privilege), I would really like to enroll again at UP Diliman, this time for LAW, after I have finished my thesis for my MS.

One at a time lang muna.

COMMENT: Ayan, kulit natin. Inilipat tuloy tayo ng Admin, hehe.
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Post by amang'65 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:06 pm

ruel wrote:
engrjhez wrote:
ruel wrote:ha ha ha! di na rin nakatiis si dennis. lol! sunny

Aral din nga tayo ng Law, Engr. Ruel. Sana sa susunod na amendment ng IRR e isama ang "scholarship" o "schooling" ng BAC at BAC Secretariat sa probisyon ng "professionalization" (in coordination with CSC). Sana maging part ito ng benefit sa mga gustong mag-pursue ng "higher studies" para sa ikabubuti ng serbisyo lalo na sa Procurement Law.

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sama ako dyan, engrjhez. i thought engr/lawyer ka, you seems to understand the language of law like soysoy,amang, shobe, and other incognitos out there.


hehe.... sorry engr.ruel, engrrjhez, nasundan ko kayo, for your information hindi po ako abogado isa din akong enhinyero, ECE nga lang and besides i am not in disguise of whatsoever as you may have thought. Actually out of place nga ako dito sa agency namin kasi nga ECE ako, but i did practice my engg profession some years ago bago ako pumasok sa gobyerno. and ever since procurement na ang naging assignment ko dito siguro 15 years na, so may idea na kayo how old i am. pero happy na rin ako sa present na kalagayan ko, anyway nice meeeting you guys. Basa lang palagi para updated tayo, yan ang sekreto para wag maiwan sa byahe.
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Post by riddler on Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:24 pm

amang1965 wrote:
ruel wrote:
engrjhez wrote:
ruel wrote:ha ha ha! di na rin nakatiis si dennis. lol! sunny

Aral din nga tayo ng Law, Engr. Ruel. Sana sa susunod na amendment ng IRR e isama ang "scholarship" o "schooling" ng BAC at BAC Secretariat sa probisyon ng "professionalization" (in coordination with CSC). Sana maging part ito ng benefit sa mga gustong mag-pursue ng "higher studies" para sa ikabubuti ng serbisyo lalo na sa Procurement Law.

Very Happy

sama ako dyan, engrjhez. i thought engr/lawyer ka, you seems to understand the language of law like soysoy,amang, shobe, and other incognitos out there.


hehe.... sorry engr.ruel, engrrjhez, nasundan ko kayo, for your information hindi po ako abogado isa din akong enhinyero, ECE nga lang and besides i am not in disguise of whatsoever as you may have thought. Actually out of place nga ako dito sa agency namin kasi nga ECE ako, but i did practice my engg profession some years ago bago ako pumasok sa gobyerno. and ever since procurement na ang naging assignment ko dito siguro 15 years na, so may idea na kayo how old i am. pero happy na rin ako sa present na kalagayan ko, anyway nice meeeting you guys. Basa lang palagi para updated tayo, yan ang sekreto para wag maiwan sa byahe.

malayo na pala byahe mo amang.. at least pareho tayo sa taga LGU na mdyo kumplikado ang procurement natin.. well anyway i was in your place last February.. We met your Mayor, bilib kami how he manage the affairs of your LGU.. Kumusta na kbabyan ko dyan na si Manny Pacquiao? (He frquently visits to our place, only 45 minutes frm GenSAn city)
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Post by amang'65 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:48 pm

ruel wrote:
amang1965 wrote:
ruel wrote:
engrjhez wrote:
ruel wrote:ha ha ha! di na rin nakatiis si dennis. lol! sunny

Aral din nga tayo ng Law, Engr. Ruel. Sana sa susunod na amendment ng IRR e isama ang "scholarship" o "schooling" ng BAC at BAC Secretariat sa probisyon ng "professionalization" (in coordination with CSC). Sana maging part ito ng benefit sa mga gustong mag-pursue ng "higher studies" para sa ikabubuti ng serbisyo lalo na sa Procurement Law.

Very Happy

sama ako dyan, engrjhez. i thought engr/lawyer ka, you seems to understand the language of law like soysoy,amang, shobe, and other incognitos out there.


hehe.... sorry engr.ruel, engrrjhez, nasundan ko kayo, for your information hindi po ako abogado isa din akong enhinyero, ECE nga lang and besides i am not in disguise of whatsoever as you may have thought. Actually out of place nga ako dito sa agency namin kasi nga ECE ako, but i did practice my engg profession some years ago bago ako pumasok sa gobyerno. and ever since procurement na ang naging assignment ko dito siguro 15 years na, so may idea na kayo how old i am. pero happy na rin ako sa present na kalagayan ko, anyway nice meeeting you guys. Basa lang palagi para updated tayo, yan ang sekreto para wag maiwan sa byahe.

malayo na pala byahe mo amang.. at least pareho tayo sa taga LGU na mdyo kumplikado ang procurement natin.. well anyway i was in your place last February.. We met your Mayor, bilib kami how he manage the affairs of your LGU.. Kumusta na kbabyan ko dyan na si Manny Pacquiao? (He frquently visits to our place, only 45 minutes frm GenSAn city)


hehe.... kaya nga amang, it is an ilocano word for elderly, ah oo andito si Manny Pacquiao, i see kababayan mo pala sya, actually nakita ko sya personally on one morning nung nagjogging ako sa burnham park, nakiki taibo sya doon sa mga tao doon. so i hope nagustuhan mo dito sa baguio, balita ko dito PICE national convention nyo sa november according to engrjhev. ill try to see kung makaka split ako dito sa office para we can meet each other. okay till then ahoy! mga enhinyeros.
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Re: Professionalization of BAC and BAC Secretariat

Post by jomadel86 on Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:25 am

The problem is that most trainings on the revised IRR are being conducted in Metro-Manila which entails expenses on our part. In fact, we attended one training whcih was conducted by the Association of Government Internal Auditors (AGIA) in Quezon City.

I don't know why are the accredited trainers in region 6 not moving to enlightened some members of the BAC who are not aware of the new IRR. Mabuti pa ang mga supplier very knowledgeable na sa revised IRR while other BACS have no knowledge of the revised IRR. confused confused
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Post by sunriser431 on Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:24 am

Sharing my experience, for us GOCCS, Training or no Training no problem as long there is internet connection and use any search engine, problem solve if not most of time. Hapi na kami dyan. Laughing lol!
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Post by jomadel86 on Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:38 am

Good for you considering that you are intelligent and could easily comprehend the provisions of the revised IRR without the need of a training. I am writing in behalf of the others who are not internet savy or are not that "intelligent" enough to understand the provisions considering there are some provisions of the revised IRR that cannot be understood by laymen. If you are a lawyer, then again good for you. Anyway, we are not lawyers nor members of the COA or the DBM or even an accredited trainer of the GPPB to be considered as an authority on the procurement law and its IRR.
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Post by amang'65 on Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:59 am

jomadel86 wrote:Good for you considering that you are intelligent and could easily comprehend the provisions of the revised IRR without the need of a training. I am writing in behalf of the others who are not internet savy or are not that "intelligent" enough to understand the provisions considering there are some provisions of the revised IRR that cannot be understood by laymen. If you are a lawyer, then again good for you. Anyway, we are not lawyers nor members of the COA or the DBM or even an accredited trainer of the GPPB to be considered as an authority on the procurement law and its IRR.


I agree with you jomadel86, each person has its own level of understanding and interests, just keep on believing in what you believe is right and good for you and for the many. provided you are in the right track, no one can put you down.
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Post by sunriser431 on Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:36 am

jomadel86 wrote:Good for you considering that you are intelligent and could easily comprehend the provisions of the revised IRR without the need of a training. I am writing in behalf of the others who are not internet savy or are not that "intelligent" enough to understand the provisions considering there are some provisions of the revised IRR that cannot be understood by laymen. If you are a lawyer, then again good for you. Anyway, we are not lawyers nor members of the COA or the DBM or even an accredited trainer of the GPPB to be considered as an authority on the procurement law and its IRR.

Nobody has the monopoly of knowledge, for the record, I'm not a lawyer nor a Law student, nor internet savy, I'm just an ordinary guy who happens to be fun of reading and study specially in the field of electronics, computer and softwares, airconditioning and refrigirations, motor rewinding, principles of electricity, locksmith/picking etc, but what interest me most on the principle of internal conbustions whether it be two or four strokes engines, and neither am i engineer. It just a hobby Like a Star @ heaven Like a Star @ heaven bounce Likewise the procurement Law is just another hobby. cheers
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Post by sunriser431 on Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:31 am

jomadel86 wrote:Good for you considering that you are intelligent and could easily comprehend the provisions of the revised IRR without the need of a training. I am writing in behalf of the others who are not internet savy or are not that "intelligent" enough to understand the provisions considering there are some provisions of the revised IRR that cannot be understood by laymen. If you are a lawyer, then again good for you. Anyway, we are not lawyers nor members of the COA or the DBM or even an accredited trainer of the GPPB to be considered as an authority on the procurement law and its IRR.

Its difficult us here way down south, to take advantage of the training/seminars thats why I spend most of the time surfing the government portals for whatever latest news I can read on. So once again good day to all forum members. Smile
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Post by engrjhez® on Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:07 pm

sunriser431 wrote:
Nobody has the monopoly of knowledge, for the record, I'm not a lawyer nor a Law student, nor internet savy, I'm just an ordinary guy who happens to be fun of reading and study specially in the field of electronics, computer and softwares, airconditioning and refrigirations, motor rewinding, principles of electricity, locksmith/picking etc, but what interest me most on the principle of internal conbustions whether it be two or four strokes engines, and neither am i engineer. It just a hobby Like a Star @ heaven Like a Star @ heaven bounce Likewise the procurement Law is just another hobby. cheers

If that is not engineering, I would say you are a fan of pure science - Physics in particular. Although you presented practical knowledge on those fields, the common ground of these is Physics. We have something in common pala. Smile

As a child I am amazed and a fan of astronomy and space science. But later my teen years, I was a fan of relativistic mechanics and general theory of relativity. Very Happy


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Post by mbdr on Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:47 pm

Good pm!

Congratulations to all hah! Sobra sobra na ang sharings nyo.... very interesting.

I attended a seminar last 2 weeks ago in Iloilo-Region VI. Yes its true na very important and training/s pero for me, ang forum na 'to is a great help to all of us.... procurement practioners. Mas madali makakuha ng answers at opinions. Then actual scenarios pa in each lgus. Another important thing is, here in the forum, may mga suppliers , contractors at BAC with its TWGs and SEC. Sana may obersvrsers then para makuha then natin ang kanilang side at views, d ba sirs??

During training/s, konti lang maka raise ng questions dahil limited ang time. Then expcted na ang answers ay limited sa region na nabelong kayu. Pero sa forum , makuha mo lahat na views.

Pero trainings are still needed. Magtiaga lang for us to learn more and more and more and more...... For us secretariat, just read and study and research ..... for the BAC,hehehehe.

With sir engrjhez and other experts there, im sure , we will learn. so dont stay away with them and this orum.

Sir engrjhez, gdpm!

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Post by engrjhez® on Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:07 pm

mbdr wrote:
Sir engrjhez, gdpm!

Gud PM din. Akala ko nawala ka na sa circulation eh. Very Happy
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Post by fe a. araya on Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:27 pm

Can we have trainings/seminars for the revised IRR and the PBD? I am trying to absorb what is in the revised IRR pero just like what mbdr said there is still a need for trainings/seminars where we can learn more from the sharing of other participants.

BAC Secretariats, we have to read, read, read and learn. Kagagaling ko pa lang sa BAC meeting and I informed the BAC Chair & members that for the next bidding we have to use the revised IRR & PBD. And you know what they told me? "Cige, pag aralan mo na mabuti kc sau na lang kami magtatanong" Ganun? But on the second thought I take it as a challenge to me and thanks to them for that confidence.
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Post by mbdr on Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:41 pm

Im still here sir engrjhez..... always naka monitor sa mga posts nyo. Busy lang ... always doing the minutes and BAC Resolutions..... and reading the revised IRR with its new PBDs to learn. Very tiring talaga ang role sa BAC SEC sir no? mata at ulo ko masakit na sirs! hehehehehe

hello mam fe.... pareha pala tayong BAC SEC. The working horse daw of the BAC. Welcome to the forum mam!

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Post by sunriser431 on Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:46 pm

engrjhez wrote:
sunriser431 wrote:
Nobody has the monopoly of knowledge, for the record, I'm not a lawyer nor a Law student, nor internet savy, I'm just an ordinary guy who happens to be fun of reading and study specially in the field of electronics, computer and softwares, airconditioning and refrigirations, motor rewinding, principles of electricity, locksmith/picking etc, but what interest me most on the principle of internal conbustions whether it be two or four strokes engines, and neither am i engineer. It just a hobby Like a Star @ heaven Like a Star @ heaven bounce Likewise the procurement Law is just another hobby. cheers

If that is not engineering, I would say you are a fan of pure science - Physics in particular. Although you presented practical knowledge on those fields, the common ground of these is Physics. We have something in common pala. Smile

As a child I am amazed and a fan of astronomy and space science. But later my teen years, I was a fan of relativistic mechanics and general theory of relativity. Very Happy


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no problem Engrjhez hehe.. kaya my officemate at times call me the "Macgyver" or the
"Handyman guy", I could utilize this extra talent to a good use and it will not cost any cents to our agency and its free hehehe. Its the satisfaction I get went a friend/ officemate would just say "Thank you" or Thanks for the help, okay na yan sa akin. Very Happy. Katulad dito sa forum, I share whatever knowledge/experience I had with regards procurement etc. Kaya job well done for those people from GPPB-TSO for putting up this forum. bounce
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Post by engrjhez® on Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:56 pm

It is all like saying the BAC Secretariat is the "Swiss knife" of the Procuring Entity!

Cheers! cheers
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Post by sunriser431 on Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:25 pm

engrjhez wrote:It is all like saying the BAC Secretariat is the "Swiss knife" of the Procuring Entity!

Cheers! cheers
and if may I add the "Leatherman Multi Tools"/"Tasks" of the BAC lol! So Cheers to all BAC Secretariat/members drunken .
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Post by fe a. araya on Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:27 pm

Thanks mbdr for that welcome. Nice for the sharing I get from you guys. Just like sunsriser, its the knowledge and learnings we impart to our colleagues which give me that feeling of satisfaction. But sometimes, nagsusuplada din ako lalo na kung some of our co-employees who are involved in BAC activities would just depend on me. Di na nagbabasa, hiram na lang ng mga sample letters, resolutions, formats which I improvised and applicable to us. I encouraged them (lalo na BAC Secretariats in our other offices) to try to read and make their own. Un bang mag isip din sila and gamitin ang initiative. It's not being selfish but am teaching them to be resourceful.

When I was designated the BAC Secretariat, nobody taught me the "how to". I had no experienced in preparing a Resolution (nagkakalat ang "WHEREAS") but I had to learn in my own way. Thank God I survived. I had to deal with bidders/contractors na makukulit. But am sure of this, they cant bully me. Sabi nga dito sa office namin, wala daw akong pakikisama (Gud feedback!)
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Post by engrjhez® on Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:08 pm

fe a. araya wrote:Thanks mbdr for that welcome. Nice for the sharing I get from you guys. Just like sunsriser, its the knowledge and learnings we impart to our colleagues which give me that feeling of satisfaction. But sometimes, nagsusuplada din ako lalo na kung some of our co-employees who are involved in BAC activities would just depend on me. Di na nagbabasa, hiram na lang ng mga sample letters, resolutions, formats which I improvised and applicable to us. I encouraged them (lalo na BAC Secretariats in our other offices) to try to read and make their own. Un bang mag isip din sila and gamitin ang initiative. It's not being selfish but am teaching them to be resourceful.

When I was designated the BAC Secretariat, nobody taught me the "how to". I had no experienced in preparing a Resolution (nagkakalat ang "WHEREAS") but I had to learn in my own way. Thank God I survived. I had to deal with bidders/contractors na makukulit. But am sure of this, they cant bully me. Sabi nga dito sa office namin, wala daw akong pakikisama (Gud feedback!)

Same here.

Nakakainis talaga yung ikaw na lang ng ikaw. Tanong mo ke "Jhez" lagi. Eh ano ba tayo? One Man Band? Tao lang po tayo at me hangganan ang oras na kaya nating mag-trabaho. I don't even realize that there comes to a point that sometimes our lawyers depend on me. Bah ano ba tayo? Call Center? But unlike to Ma'am Fe, I have some advantage of "parliamentary procedures" being on various organizations while on school. I experienced to be in the Student Government, in the University Publication, and some extra-curricular groups Pero hindi por que kaya natin, tayo na lang lagi.

You were right also na hindi kadamutan sa knowledge ang hindi pagsagot sa tanong. In fact, the best excuse we can give to someone is "hindi ko po alam" kahit alam mo. Pero sa tulad nating me credibility at integrity, parang mahirap din hindian ang tanong. Kasi kung alam naman natin, why not share?

In the end, BAC Secretariat rules! yehey!
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Re: Professionalization of BAC and BAC Secretariat

Post by sunriser431 on Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:24 am

fe a. araya wrote:Thanks mbdr for that welcome. Nice for the sharing I get from you guys. Just like sunsriser, its the knowledge and learnings we impart to our colleagues which give me that feeling of satisfaction. But sometimes, nagsusuplada din ako lalo na kung some of our co-employees who are involved in BAC activities would just depend on me. Di na nagbabasa, hiram na lang ng mga sample letters, resolutions, formats which I improvised and applicable to us. I encouraged them (lalo na BAC Secretariats in our other offices) to try to read and make their own. Un bang mag isip din sila and gamitin ang initiative. It's not being selfish but am teaching them to be resourceful.

When I was designated the BAC Secretariat, nobody taught me the "how to". I had no experienced in preparing a Resolution (nagkakalat ang "WHEREAS") but I had to learn in my own way. Thank God I survived. I had to deal with bidders/contractors na makukulit. But am sure of this, they cant bully me. Sabi nga dito sa office namin, wala daw akong pakikisama (Gud feedback!)
The BAC Secretariat has spoken, hahaha. I do share your sentiments, me too has been designated Head of the BAC Secretariat way back 2003 and still holding on, I tried several times to muscle my way out, sobrang maraming trabaho, activities, schedules, But at no avail, maybe the HOPE has his reasons. inspite for everything the BAC Secretariat has survive. So To all BAC Secretariat I love you
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Re: Professionalization of BAC and BAC Secretariat

Post by fe a. araya on Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:15 am

Korek!. Just like you I have been the Head of the BAC Secretariat as early as 2003 and there are instances na talagang nag walk out ako during one of our meetings kasi nga medyo na pressure ako and attempted to resign from this job (aside from dami talagang work ang BAC) kc nga Chief Adm. pa ko. But I was not permitted to be relieved and come to think of it may mga bidder/contractor na nag sabi magwelga daw sila (with matching placards) kung magreresign ako hahaha! Perhaps its because we in the BAC SEcretariat are doing our job well and di sila nahirapan mag paprocess ng papers ng bidding. Amen! Bow! hahahaha
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Post by riddler on Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:27 pm

fe a. araya wrote:Korek!. Just like you I have been the Head of the BAC Secretariat as early as 2003 and there are instances na talagang nag walk out ako during one of our meetings kasi nga medyo na pressure ako and attempted to resign from this job (aside from dami talagang work ang BAC) kc nga Chief Adm. pa ko. But I was not permitted to be relieved and come to think of it may mga bidder/contractor na nag sabi magwelga daw sila (with matching placards) kung magreresign ako hahaha! Perhaps its because we in the BAC SEcretariat are doing our job well and di sila nahirapan mag paprocess ng papers ng bidding. Amen! Bow! hahahaha

ha ha ha. same is true here... our BAC secretariat is always resigning because of pressures kaya lang ayaw payagan nhg HOPE, she was crying always. But i encourage her always kaya parang 'firmed" na rin sya ngayon.
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