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Post by meAnne on Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:15 pm

sa lahat ng bumubuo ng Forum na ito, magandang araw po.

ang procurement activities po ng project namin ay naaprubahan noong 14 August 2009, pero nagkaroon ng failure of bidding nung 14 September 2009. sa pag-rebid po ba namin ngayong 15 October 2009, ang revised IRR ang susundin kong procedures? wala po kasi akong pinalitan sa bidding documents na naihanda mula noong 14 August 2009, maliban sa mga araw ng pre-bid at public bidding.

salamat po. mabuhay kayong lahat na sumasagot sa mga katanungan naming mga inosente sa procurement activities.... Very Happy
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Post by riddler on Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:19 pm

meAnne wrote:sa lahat ng bumubuo ng Forum na ito, magandang araw po.

ang procurement activities po ng project namin ay naaprubahan noong 14 August 2009, pero nagkaroon ng failure of bidding nung 14 September 2009. sa pag-rebid po ba namin ngayong 15 October 2009, ang revised IRR ang susundin kong procedures? wala po kasi akong pinalitan sa bidding documents na naihanda mula noong 14 August 2009, maliban sa mga araw ng pre-bid at public bidding.

salamat po. mabuhay kayong lahat na sumasagot sa mga katanungan naming mga inosente sa procurement activities.... Very Happy

I think you have to follow the new rules of the revised IRR "meanne", wala tayong maggawa kasi naabutan na tayo ng new rules. Pero if you take a look at the Philippine Inquirer today, some Procuring Entity are still using the Old IRR in their procurement process... I think the GPPB should devise ways to stop these entities from resorting to the old rules, o baka di pa talaga matanggap ng iba na meron ng bagong rules at ayaw ng umalis sa kani-kanilang "comfort zones".
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Re: Procedures of Rebidding based on Revised IRR

Post by engrjhez« on Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:24 pm

meAnne wrote:sa lahat ng bumubuo ng Forum na ito, magandang araw po.

ang procurement activities po ng project namin ay naaprubahan noong 14 August 2009, pero nagkaroon ng failure of bidding nung 14 September 2009. sa pag-rebid po ba namin ngayong 15 October 2009, ang revised IRR ang susundin kong procedures? wala po kasi akong pinalitan sa bidding documents na naihanda mula noong 14 August 2009, maliban sa mga araw ng pre-bid at public bidding.

salamat po. mabuhay kayong lahat na sumasagot sa mga katanungan naming mga inosente sa procurement activities.... Very Happy

Mabuhay at magandang araw sa iyo MeAnne. Welcome sa Forum na ito!

Dahil Sept.14 ang huling failure ng bidding ninyo, epektibo na ang Revised IRR sa inyong paglathala ng re-bidding. Marami na ang naiba sa bagong IRR. Para malaman ang ilan dito, sundan ang link na ito.

Para sa bagong PBDs, sundan naman ang link tumatakbong mensahe sa taas. KAilangan nating masusing pag-aralan ang mga pagbabagong hatid ng Revised IRR para maging tugma at maayos ang ating proseso. Bukas ang forum na ito sa lahat ng magtatanong at nais sumagot ng tanong.

PS: Huwag mong sabihin na "inosente" ka sa procurement activities kasi wala namang nakaalam lahat ng dapat gawin either. Lahat dito ay mag-aaral ding tulad mo. Very Happy

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Re: Procedures of Rebidding based on Revised IRR

Post by amang'65 on Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:38 pm

meAnne wrote:sa lahat ng bumubuo ng Forum na ito, magandang araw po.

ang procurement activities po ng project namin ay naaprubahan noong 14 August 2009, pero nagkaroon ng failure of bidding nung 14 September 2009. sa pag-rebid po ba namin ngayong 15 October 2009, ang revised IRR ang susundin kong procedures? wala po kasi akong pinalitan sa bidding documents na naihanda mula noong 14 August 2009, maliban sa mga araw ng pre-bid at public bidding.

salamat po. mabuhay kayong lahat na sumasagot sa mga katanungan naming mga inosente sa procurement activities.... Very Happy


ako ay sasagot din dahil gusto ko pang mabuhay, hehe... walang kadudaduda sa mga dalawang ehinyerong naunang sumagut meanne, kaming mga nars ay sumasang-ayon sa inyo. queen
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Re: Procedures of Rebidding based on Revised IRR

Post by venom.0420 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:37 am

hahaha..parang buwan ng wika ata ngayon dto ah.. Very Happy

meAnne,

Welcome to the forum! Yes, we have no choice but to follow the revised IRR, effective September 2, 2009 and that means changing the three-envelope system to the two-envelope system as described in the new IRR. You can download the working draft of Philippine Bidding Documents from www.gppb.gov.ph for your reference.

Para naman sa mga procuring entities na di pa sumusunod sa new IRR, bahala na ang COA sa kanila. Peace!
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Re: Procedures of Rebidding based on Revised IRR

Post by sunriser431 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:47 am

meAnne wrote:sa lahat ng bumubuo ng Forum na ito, magandang araw po.

ang procurement activities po ng project namin ay naaprubahan noong 14 August 2009, pero nagkaroon ng failure of bidding nung 14 September 2009. sa pag-rebid po ba namin ngayong 15 October 2009, ang revised IRR ang susundin kong procedures? wala po kasi akong pinalitan sa bidding documents na naihanda mula noong 14 August 2009, maliban sa mga araw ng pre-bid at public bidding.

salamat po. mabuhay kayong lahat na sumasagot sa mga katanungan naming mga inosente sa procurement activities.... Very Happy
Magandang araw din po MeAnne bounce
sundin lang po ang link ito http://www.gppb.gov.ph/cgi-bin/news/news_details.asp?news_id=161
link tungkol naman sa pagsasanay http://www.gppb.gov.ph/cgi-bin/calendar_of_events/default.asp
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Post by meAnne on Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:44 pm

salamat po, sunriser431, venom.0420, amang1965, engrjhez, mr. ruel. anlaki ng naitulong ng mga nilahad niyo para matanggap kong tunay na nga ang revisions ng irr.

magbabasa po muna ako ng maisapuso't kaluluwa ko ang mga pagbabagong ito. Very Happy

ulit, mabuhay ang naka-isip ng ganitong klaseng forum, at ganun din kayong lahat na sumasagot.
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Re: Procedures of Rebidding based on Revised IRR

Post by amang'65 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:17 pm

meAnne wrote:salamat po, sunriser431, venom.0420, amang1965, engrjhez, mr. ruel. anlaki ng naitulong ng mga nilahad niyo para matanggap kong tunay na nga ang revisions ng irr.

magbabasa po muna ako ng maisapuso't kaluluwa ko ang mga pagbabagong ito. Very Happy

ulit, mabuhay ang naka-isip ng ganitong klaseng forum, at ganun din kayong lahat na sumasagot.


walang ano man meAnne, hindi na yata ako nagtatrabaho sa ka foforum k eh. haahahaha!!!
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Re: Procedures of Rebidding based on Revised IRR

Post by sunriser431 on Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:39 pm

meAnne wrote:salamat po, sunriser431, venom.0420, amang1965, engrjhez, mr. ruel. anlaki ng naitulong ng mga nilahad niyo para matanggap kong tunay na nga ang revisions ng irr.

magbabasa po muna ako ng maisapuso't kaluluwa ko ang mga pagbabagong ito. Very Happy

ulit, mabuhay ang naka-isip ng ganitong klaseng forum, at ganun din kayong lahat na sumasagot.
You are welcome meAnne, hope to hear more from you Smile in this forum
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Re: Procedures of Rebidding based on Revised IRR

Post by neestrevencion on Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:03 am

good day to all ka-forum!
nice to be back!

based on new the irr, when is a re-bid needed?
what are the grounds for failure of bidding?
when will a lone bidder be outrightly awarded?
How can we determine the reasonableness of the bid when there is only one bidder?
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Re: Procedures of Rebidding based on Revised IRR

Post by engrjhez« on Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:59 pm

neestrevencion wrote:good day to all ka-forum!
nice to be back!

based on new the irr, when is a re-bid needed?
Re-bidding is definitely to be scheduled immediately after a failed bidding. Why re-bid?
neestrevencion wrote:what are the grounds for failure of bidding?
Section 35. Failure of Bidding
35.1. The BAC shall declare the bidding a failure when:
a) No bids are received;
b) All prospective bidders are declared ineligible;
c) All bids fail to comply with all the bid requirements or fail post-qualification, or,
in the case of consulting services, there is no successful negotiation; or
d) The bidder with the Lowest Calculated Responsive Bid/Highest Rated
Responsive Bid refuses, without justifiable cause, to accept the award of
contract, and no award is made in accordance with Section 40 of the Act and
this IRR.
neestrevencion wrote:when will a lone bidder be outrightly awarded?
How can we determine the reasonableness of the bid when there is only one bidder?
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There is no shortcut in awarding the lone bidder. Hindi por que single bidder eh sure na sa award. The bidder must still pass the preliminary examination of bids up to the post qualifications. If after all the evaluation, the bid is determined to be responsive, then a recommendation for award may be given. Very Happy
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Post by neestrevencion on Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:29 am

thank you po ng maraming marami! cheers
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Re: Procedures of Rebidding based on Revised IRR

Post by neestrevencion on Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:22 pm

hi!
sa excitement, may nakalimutan ako. "The bidder must still pass the preliminary examination of bids up to the post qualifications", so there should be a record/document of this preliminary examination and post qualifications to support your BAC's recommendation for the approval of award, kahit isang bidder lang! ayos ba? hindi pwedeng basta i-a-award na lang.
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Re: Procedures of Rebidding based on Revised IRR

Post by engrjhez« on Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:55 pm

neestrevencion wrote:hi!
sa excitement, may nakalimutan ako. "The bidder must still pass the preliminary examination of bids up to the post qualifications", so there should be a record/document of this preliminary examination and post qualifications to support your BAC's recommendation for the approval of award, kahit isang bidder lang! ayos ba? hindi pwedeng basta i-a-award na lang.

Pwede rin, pero that would be like "walking in wire". What if that single bidder ay wala naman palang malaking puhunan (in case malaking project ang sinalihan)? Or hindi pala naka-register sa BIR? Or pineke lang lahat ng documents at 'bogus' company lang pala ito? Knowing the company may not be enough either. You still have to check kasi baka 'foreclosed' na pala ito or bankrupt na. In addition, paano mai-po-post yung award sa PhilGEPS kung hindi pala sya registered? So in the end, the BAC will have to answer these questions, and suffer the consequences, pag nagkaaberya.

We should not exploit the provision of SCRB/HRRB. Dapat nga magpasalamat tayo at pinayagan ng batas mag-award kahit nag-iisa na lang sya. Before RA.9184 (wala pa ko sa procurement), I think there is only one bidder, then there is a "failure of bidding" na (kasi negotiation na lang talaga yun). But now, since the law provides the procedure to check and let the bidder "pass the test of fire" 'ika nga, there are enough justifiable reasons to award kahit nag-iisa lang sya.

All records of the proceeding shall be reflected in the Minutes of the Meetings, available (upon request) within three (3) days after the conduct of proceedings. Very Happy
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Post by neestrevencion on Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:29 pm

what if, the lone bidder passed the post qualifications, the recommendation is made, then noa is prepared, so with purchase order, then later on, saka nadiscover overpriced pala, after tedious validation for reasonableness of the price. eh within abc naman sya, so, pwedeng laruin ang abc ng requisitioner? then with these, how do we prepare an effective/reasonable/realistic abc? is there any formula for this? Shocked
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Post by neestrevencion on Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:31 pm

and, who is responsible for abc?
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Post by engrjhez« on Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:18 pm

neestrevencion wrote:what if, the lone bidder passed the post qualifications, the recommendation is made, then noa is prepared, so with purchase order, then later on, saka nadiscover overpriced pala, after tedious validation for reasonableness of the price. eh within abc naman sya, so, pwedeng laruin ang abc ng requisitioner? then with these, how do we prepare an effective/reasonable/realistic abc? is there any formula for this? Shocked

Who discovered? I presume not the same persons who 'tediously validate'. I think only the COA (I do not know the extent of DBM or NEDA on this) has the authority to declare overpricing. Usually, sample price specimens were taken out randomly at the area to check the average market price. Some may be basing on price index as instituted by NSO. Nevertheless, let us read it from the jurisprudence on the Mayor Joey Marquez' graft case on overpriced broomsticks:

"The reasoning of the Sandiganbayan is specious and off tangent. The audit team reached a conclusion of gross overpricing based on documents which, at best, would merely indicate the present market price of walis tingting of a different specification, purchased from a non-supplier of Para˝aque City, and the price of walis tingting purchases in Las Pi˝as City. Effectively, the prosecution was unable to demonstrate the requisite burden of proof, i.e., proof beyond reasonable doubt, in order to overcome the presumption of innocence in favor of petitioners,ö the Court said.

Maybe you can get some idea here. Very Happy

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Post by engrjhez« on Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:53 pm

neestrevencion wrote:and, who is responsible for abc?

It is a collaborative effort of the end user, the TWG and the approval of the HOPE. For its budget enactment, the local sanggunian in case of LGUs, the Congress in case of NGAs, and the Board for GOCCs. Very Happy
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Post by jcolas on Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:59 pm

Under Section 36 of the Revised IRR of the Act, Alone bidder shall be considered for award if it falls under the following circumstances:
a) If after advertisement, the lone bidder submits a Letter of Intent, and/or applies for eligibility check and meets the eligibility check, after which it submits a bid which is found to be responsive;
b) If after advertisement, more than one bidder applies for eligibility, but only one passes the check, after which it submits a bid that is found to be responsive;
c) If after the eligibility check, more than one bidder passes the check but only one submits a bid which is found to be responsive.
It can be gleaned from above that the lone bidder is subjected to an eligibility check. I hope that will answer the querry on whether the award is made outright. This was amply answered by engrhez but I only provided the appropriate section. As to the querry on how could we determine the reasonableness of the quotation from the lone bidder, this should have been considered during the planning and the determination of the ABC. Under the same section of the IRR, it states that in all instances, the Procuring Entity should ensure that the ABC reflects the most advantageous prevailing price for the government. If the ABC was the product of careful planning, then we can sleep soundly knowing that we have an ABC which is advantageous to the government. In the determination of the ABC where their is no rigid and fast rule to follow, where our basis is the available data that we have, it is knowing that we have done our best is our assurance that the quotation/price of a bidder is reasonable and at the end of the day we can say, amen!
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Post by neestrevencion on Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:31 am

thanks! and more powe to the forum!
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